New Persuasive Words

In this special live recording from Philadelphia’s Green Line Café, Scott and Bill take the conversation out of the studio and into the heart of the city. Against the backdrop of community and caffeine, they grapple with the shockwaves still reverberating from the assassination of Charlie Kirk. What does this moment mean for our public life? How do we make sense of the anger, polarization, and grief shaping the American imagination right now? With the energy of a live audience and the urgency of the moment, this episode invites listeners into a raw, reflective dialogue about where we go from here.

In the wake of the shocking murder of Charlie Kirk, we take a hard look at the language of our politics. Is it ever right—or wise—to call our opponents Hitler, fascists, or Nazis? In a culture already boiling with suspicion and outrage, does this kind of rhetoric sharpen moral clarity or simply fuel more division? Bill and Scott wrestle with the weight of our words, the dangers of toxic labeling, and the challenge of disagreeing without dehumanizing.

In this episode of the podcast Scott and Bill wrestle with the tragic shooting of Charlie Kirk and what it reveals about the deeper fractures in American life. Beyond the headlines and hot takes, they explore what this moment says about the condition of our politics, the rising tide of anger and alienation, and the spiritual vacuum shaping our national conversation. Can we find a way to move beyond violence, fear, and resentment toward a more life-giving vision of civic and spiritual renewal?

In this thought-provoking episode of New Persuasive Words, hosts Bill and Scott explore an op-ed by Bishop Robert Barron—published on September 7, 2025—titled “The dangers behind Sen. Kaine’s rejection of God-given rights as a founding principle.” Bishop Barron raises serious concerns about Senator Tim Kaine’s remarks during a Senate confirmation hearing—where Kaine questioned the idea that our rights originate from God, likening that notion to the theocratic governance of Iran. In response, Barron passionately reminds listeners that the Declaration of Independence, penned by Thomas Jefferson, affirms that our inalienable rights come from a Creator—and that government exists merely to secure them—not grant them. Bill and Scott unpack what’s really at stake. It’s a conversation about first principles, political theology, and why the question of where rights come from still matters. You can find the article we reference by Bishop Barron here. (https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/bishop-robert-barron-dangers-behin

In this episode, Scott and Bill discuss various topics ranging from personal anecdotes to serious public health issues, particularly focusing on vaccination mandates and public opinion. They explore the moral implications of leadership in contemporary society, the influence of Enlightenment thought on modern morality, and the challenges of navigating cultural and economic interests in politics. The conversation delves into the crisis of moral philosophy and the need for a more robust ethical framework in education, ultimately reflecting on the chaotic moral landscape of today's world. This episode was inspired by a David Brooks piece in The Atlantic which we reference in the show. You can find the piece here. (https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2025/07/trump-administration-supporters-good/683441/?gift=sZvj1XC-iOeHn0fmX1G7ipBOW2AdFP2QoolYEJBnmTU)

In this episode of New Persuasive Words, Bill and Scott dive into the provocative little book The Let Them Theory (https://www.amazon.com/Let-Them-Theory-Life-Changing-Millions/dp/1401971369)and ask a big question: can the stoic mindset and the Christian vision really coexist, or are they fundamentally at odds? Along the way, they explore how “letting them” might be a healthy act of detachment—or a spiritual cop-out—and whether the calm of Marcus Aurelius can live in harmony with the compassion of the Gospels.

In this conversation, Scott and Bill explore various themes ranging from light-hearted banter about summer drinks and streaming services to deeper discussions on the gall of bitterness as presented in the Bible. They reflect on the nature of sin in Christianity, the politics of resentment, and the role of grace in the Christian life. The dialogue also touches on cultural reflections and the dangers of spiritual vices, concluding with a call to repentance and self-reflection. **_ Takeaways_ The gall of bitterness is a significant theme in Christianity. Streaming services are becoming a common alternative to cable. Summer in Philadelphia offers a unique social dynamic. Christianity is not free from original sin. Bitterness can persist even after baptism. Grace should not be seen as a mere ticket to salvation. Spiritual vices can be more dangerous than physical vices. The politics of resentment can stem from bitterness. Repentance is essential for spiritual growth. Cultural reflections can influence our understa

In this conversation, Scott Jones and Bill Bohr explore the concept of demythologizing, particularly in relation to Donald Trump's influence on contemporary beliefs and narratives about Jeffrey Epstein. They discuss the implications of demythologizing in religion, the cognitive dissonance experienced by Trump supporters, and the nature of grace and redemption. The conversation also touches on the importance of small acts of kindness and the ongoing struggle between good and evil in society.

In this episode Scott and Bill explore various themes surrounding grievances in American society, including military spending, Medicaid myths, immigration issues, and the complexities of American identity. They discuss the cultural and creedal aspects of patriotism, the challenges of Christian realism, and the need for a national myth while navigating the current political landscape. The dialogue reflects on the past, present, and future of American ideals and the importance of understanding the narratives that shape them. Takeaways The airing of grievances is a common theme in public discourse. Military spending for celebrations raises questions about public funds. Medicaid fraud is often exaggerated in political rhetoric. Immigration policies are influenced by economic incentives. American identity is shaped by both cultural and creedal elements. The left and right have diverging narratives on patriotism. Christian realism requires a balance between faith and national identity. Historical context is crucial

In this conversation, Scott and Bill explore the decline of American pride, the erosion of the middle class, and the pervasive nature of 'bullshit' in political discourse. They discuss how political identity fluctuates based on party affiliation, the cultural implications of consumerism, and the role of rhetoric in shaping public opinion. The dialogue culminates in a reflection on sincerity and self-awareness in a world filled with misinformation and superficiality. Takeaways Only 58% of Americans express extreme pride in their country. Democratic pride in America fluctuates significantly with political leadership. The middle class in America has been eroding since the 1980s. Cultural commentary often highlights the contradictions in American values. Bullshit in politics is a greater threat to truth than outright lies. Rhetoric can distort truth, serving neither honesty nor deception. The rise of social media has amplified the spread of bullshit. Self-reflection is crucial in understanding our own beliefs and

In this special live episode of New Persuasive Words, Scott and Bill record in person at The Green Line Café (https://www.greenlinecafe.com)in Philadelphia, reflecting on the recent bombing of Iran ordered by President Trump. With coffee in hand and other patrons in the room, they unpack the political and ethical dimensions of this act of war. What does it say about American power, the role of conscience in foreign policy, and the ever-thinning line between calculated strategy and reckless provocation? Join us for a real-time theological and political conversation rooted in moral seriousness and public faith. We reference an anonymous open letter from an Iranian living abroad. You can find it here. (https://www.persuasion.community/p/a-letter-from-an-iranian?publication_id=61579&utm_campaign=email-post-title&r=8ly27&utm_medium=email)

In this episode of New Persuasive Words, Bill and Scott explore the idea of history as a form of divine revelation—alongside nature and the Bible—drawing inspiration from Tomáš Halík’s provocative new book, The Afternoon of Christianity. As Halík invites us to reimagine faith for a postmodern, post-Christendom world, we consider how historical consciousness itself can become a sacred text, revealing God’s presence not just in the past but in the unfolding of time. From the Incarnation to modern crises, we ask: What if salvation history hasn’t ended, but continues to speak in the afternoon light of our contemporary moment?

In this episode of New Persuasive Words, Bill and Scott explore how the pattern of death and resurrection—so central to the Christian story—is also the essential rhythm of a thriving personal and public life. From letting go of ego and outdated identities to embracing new beginnings in our relationships, vocations, and politics, they argue that true transformation always passes through some form of dying. Drawing on theology, personal experience, and cultural analysis, they reflect on how this pattern can help us navigate a time of great institutional and existential upheaval. This isn't about escapism or sentimentality—it's about finding hope and renewal on the far side of surrender.

In this episode of New Persuasive Words, Bill and Scott explore the deep theological mystery of the Trinity in light of Trinity Sunday. But this isn’t just a church calendar check-in—we argue that the doctrine of the Trinity offers more than abstract metaphysics. It might just be the key to renewing the moral and relational foundations of liberal democratic society. Drawing from both ancient theology and contemporary political concerns, we ask: What does it mean to live in a world shaped by communion, difference, and love? And can the Trinitarian vision help us resist the isolating forces of individualism, authoritarianism, and despair? Tune in for a conversation that’s equal parts creed and critique. We reference two articles in the piece. You can find them here: https://www.persuasion.community/p/a-chilling-prediction-by-leo-strauss https://firstthings.com/fukuyama-gets-leo-strauss-wrong/

In this episode of New Persuasive Words, Scott and Bill turn their attention to Pentecost—the wild, world-tilting moment when the Spirit descends, tongues ignite, and the Church is born not with decorum, but with fire. We explore what it means to be a Spirit-filled people in an anxious age, how Pentecost upends our tidy categories, and why divine disruption might be the most faithful thing to pray for. Along the way, we ask: is the Spirit more dangerous than we’ve let on? And could the chaos be the point? Come, Holy Spirit—and bring matches.

On this Ascension Day, Scott and Bill turn their attention to one of the most theologically rich and often overlooked events in the Christian calendar: the Ascension of Christ. What does it mean that Jesus was "lifted up" into heaven? Why does it matter that the risen Christ ascends rather than remains? In this episode, the hosts explore the biblical, historical, and spiritual dimensions of the Ascension, reflecting on how this event reorients our understanding of power, presence, and promise. Join us as we consider how the Ascension is not the absence of Christ, but the beginning of his reign—and what that means for the Church today.

In this episode of New Persuasive Words, Scott and Bill explore the historic election of Pope Leo XIV and what it means for the Catholic Church—and the broader Christian imagination—to have an Augustinian pope. Drawing on their theological backgrounds and love of ecclesial history, they unpack the significance of Augustinian thought in shaping Christian identity, politics, and hope. What might Leo XIV's theological grounding signal for the Church’s engagement with modernity, moral complexity, and spiritual formation? Tune in as they consider the possibilities of this new papacy and its potential to reframe conversations across the Christian world. We reference an essay by James K.A. Smith in the conversation. You can find it here. (https://www.americamagazine.org/faith/2025/05/12/smith-augustinian-pope-leo-250662)

n the latest episode of the New Persuasive Words podcast, hosts Scott Jones and Bill Borror delve into the historic election of Pope Leo XIV, formerly Cardinal Robert Prevost. As the first American and first Augustinian to ascend to the papacy, Pope Leo XIV's election marks a significant moment in the Catholic Church's history. The hosts explore the implications of this unprecedented choice, considering how Pope Leo XIV's background and perspectives might influence the Church's direction. They discuss his emphasis on peace, dialogue, and missionary evangelization, as highlighted in his inaugural speech, where he called for unity and building bridges among people . Additionally, the episode addresses the varied reactions to Pope Leo XIV's election, including criticisms from certain political commentators who have labeled him as anti-Trump and pro-open borders . The hosts analyze these perspectives, offering insights into the intersection of religion and politics in contemporary discourse. For a comprehensive d

In this episode of New Persuasive Words, we explore the radical implications of grace for the political sphere through the lens of Paul Zahl’s chapter “Grace in Politics” from his book Grace in Practice (https://www.amazon.com/Grace-Practice-Theology-Everyday-Life/dp/0802828973/ref=sr_1_1?crid=EZI5E3CATJY7&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.toemGFKwi0DsD1v4St3uUshN9OKUfDIOf90aV498sb6HX5QnjttvaKOcsNqNxVFf6MQjSqD036XWqCKSh9gXpT7zOV_wNQz-yJ-h5xBHcuqRIQrlvmeJR6obQKGlLMBhLqKRSD0cjYWSsiYScxBi24h8CSdiepe4namEfCAiqcl_ECQZUcj9YhVBMuny2E3ojJ2mMS8NvHXMHQzEonwJqUQejKMGPjDLTFALyHUMIoE.3K9lU_-3oRVzmrQKCvNNS0xKX2VaB_uo399ujTRYTa0&dib_tag=se&keywords=grace+in+practice&qid=1746494686&sprefix=grace+in+practic%2Caps%2C212&sr=8-1). What does it mean to bring a theology of one-way love into the often merciless arena of public life? Can grace shape policy, dialogue, and civic engagement in a culture of outrage and polarization? Join us as we consider how Zahl’s vision challenges both left and right, and invites us into a different kind of political

In this episode of New Persuasive Words, Bill Borror and Scott Jones reflect on the cultural and spiritual atmosphere of our time — an era increasingly shaped by power, ego, and domination. Drawing a sharp contrast between ancient pagan ideals and the Judeo-Christian moral tradition, they examine how figures like Donald Trump symbolize more than political authority; they reflect a deeper cultural drift toward spectacle, conquest, and narcissism. The conversation explores the idea of a “pagan century,” where authoritarianism, tech-driven individualism, and Christian nationalism converge into a new civilizational mood. Against this backdrop, Bill and Scott warn of the moral costs of abandoning humility, empathy, and shared purpose — not just for democracy, but for the human soul. Yet amid this dehumanizing trend, the hosts identify a surprising countercurrent: a quiet but growing spiritual hunger, particularly among younger generations. From renewed interest in Christian faith in the West to the rediscovery of